Hare Krishna,

Can someone here help in clarifying my doubts ?

SB 3.16.30 ( Srimad Bhagavatam - Jaya and Vijaya, Cursed by the Sages) : This departure from Vaikuṇṭha was foretold by Lakṣmī, the goddess of fortune. She was very angry because when she left My abode and then returned, you stopped her at the gate while I was sleeping.

My Question: Why did Jay-Vijaya stopped Laksmi mata ? Does in Vaikuntha Planet also pride/abhimaan overrides devotees consciousness? Do devotees there may behave out of ignorance? Do people from Vaikuntha planet may also fall down as it happened for Jay-Vijay ?

Regards,

Prakash Barman

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  • We are all fallen
    I know I am & have found
    Little to no forgiveness or
    divine support. Hics (DG)
    Omce said "in this world a small amount of (karmic relief) is what we in this world know as happiness."
    But true happyness is much more than this". So I figured serving God directly, director of Hi's creations would give me a slighy pervew or glimpse of some authentic experience of the sharing of God's awareness & pleasher. ?
    Diving-in headlong I left what most would consider as situations with every potential. Still today my situation is picture-perfect.
    Yet so much trubble and interference is still accruing. Karmicly I / my life started out poorly as my understandings were small & limited yet after 10-20 years of direct &' 'frendgy' association with Krishna.
    The path of my experience of life has been seemingly as vexed as ever i.e. very little if any karmic releasing of the past transgressions.
    This in my mind is just so much materialistic vengeance from "So called celestial authoritys" & an utterly neglectful disposition twords Krishna's promus* of equal or even handed reciprocation " to reword anyone according to their service twords/rendered twords Him.
    *This is not happening*
    So this is not a true promus!
    At age 63 my time of combating/defeating the odds of accomplishing the faver everyone in creation & God is not going to happen. I can honestly say although I have not been completely devoted to (HDG'S) ISKCON MISSION, still from the beginning my intentions & offer of complete serender was, has been & still is sincere. However, apparently my services are not as much aprrsheated/ accepted as I personality require or in my mind deserve. So yes I'm deeply disappointed deeply.Perhaps I don't deserve an immediately deserve a deliverance back home back to
    "The Spiritual Sky " in this lifetime. Who does?
    However, if God is all knowing then He knows by the qulity of my understandings & works that I am not verymuch inclined to honor anyone as the vhehical of our/my soul's salivation other tham Himself. My only begotten Son was abandoned by me and raised by another man due to my effort's to reconcile my past. My woman is an intuitive genus still she is placing her loyalties elsewhere. & So I do dear say, Krishna doe's seem to be quite the un-predicable personally. Judi & Mudi were servents of Vishnu, whome I dearly apresheate, but Krishna is different in Hi's position of even greater authority, so He said. I'm not finding that to be so, Non of it ! As the truth is for us, a neglected relationship is sinfulness. So it is after 30-odd years of association with KRishna I'm still feeling depraved of Hi's support & protections. This situation clearly demonstrates the upheaval in the heart that is created when God has turned Hi's back on His created being.
    Externally grateful I can never not be" but I do realize i'm being slowly crushed by the waityness of past transgressions as they ate being allowed by the Supreme controler!
    Truth & Justus ate being denied me in this life. & like Juddi & muddi I'm pissed off & feeling like f-n something up! Signed "at my boilling point!
    Thrally disappointed.
    &
    Completely Satisfied.
    All glory all glory to the all attractive Mah-ha Mantra given by Sri Sri Hare.
    From a hellishly ignorant life into a hellish life of spiritual abuse thorough indiffrence & being neglneglected. What kind of a buggered mesd is this situation?
    • I got my answer in Dean Prabhu's message. Thank you very much for your kind words. Hare Krishna.

  • SB 3.15.32The sages said: Who are these two persons who have developed such a discordant mentality even though they are posted in the service of the Lord in the highest position and are expected to have developed the same qualities as the Lord? How are these two persons living in Vaikuṇṭha? Where is the possibility of an enemy’s coming into this kingdom of God? The Supreme Personality of Godhead has no enemy. Who could be envious of Him? Probably these two persons are imposters; therefore they suspect others to be like themselves.

    SB 3.15.33In the Vaikuṇṭha world there is complete harmony between the residents and the Supreme Personality of Godhead, just as there is complete harmony within space between the big and the small skies. Why then is there a seed of fear in this field of harmony? These two persons are dressed like inhabitants of Vaikuṇṭha, but wherefrom can their disharmony come into existence?
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    We can see here that even Sri Kumaras was wondering why was that happened, that Vaishnavas on Vaukuntha see someone as enemy. Vaishnavas in Lords abode are not in  illusion based on wrong body identification, therefore its not possible for them to  see someone as enemy or intruder .
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    The Lord had a good plan how to arrange His lilas in material world, so Jaya and Vijaya served for that purpose. 
    The Lord is Supreme manager of all universe, who can then resist His plan when everything is under His full control. 
    Those who claim that pure devotees of Lord have a small independence, do not know the Truth and who knows do they will ever know. 
    SB 3.15.32
    The difference between the inhabitants of a Vaikuṇṭha planet and those of a material planet is that in Vaikuṇṭha all the residents engage in the serv…
    • Thanks.

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