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 Hare krishna! It is said that Vaishnava is greater than Brahmana then why we need to take Brahmana initiation?  Please kindly make me to understand...

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Harekrishna to all
I do also have the same doubt,pls anyone can answer.
ur servant
Harekrishna to all
I do also have the same doubt,pls anyone can answer.
ur servant



The Rämärcana-candrikä states:

vinaiva dékñäà viprendra puraçcaryäà vinaiva hi 
vinaiva nyäsa-vidhinä japa-mätreëa siddhi-dä

"O best of the brähmaëas, even without initiation, preliminary purification or acceptance of the renounced order, one can attain perfection in devotional service simply by chanting the Lord's holy name."

In other words, the chanting of the Hare Kåñëa mahä-mantra is so powerful that it does not depend on official initiation, but if one is initiated and engages in païcarätra-vidhi (Deity worship), his Kåñëa consciousness will awaken very soon, and his identification with the material world will be vanquished.By chanting the Hare Kåñëa mahä-mantra regularly and following the regulative principles, one becomes qualified to be initiated as a brähmaëa, because unless one is a qualified brähmaëa he cannot be allowed to worship Lord Viñëu. This is called yäjïika janma. In our Kåñëa consciousness society, unless one is twice initiated-first by chanting Hare Kåñëa and second by the Gäyatré mantra-he is not allowed to enter the kitchen or Deity room to execute duties. However, when one is elevated to the platform on which he can worship the Deity, his previous birth does not matter.

"Although Deity worship is not essential, the material conditioning of most candidates for devotional service requires that they engage in this activity. When we consider their bodily and mental conditions, we find that the character of such candidates is impure and their minds are agitated. Therefore, to rectify this material conditioning the great sage Närada and others have at different times recommended various kinds of regulations for Deity worship."

The Bhakti-sandarbha (298) gives the following quotation from the Tattva-sägara:

yathä käïcanatäà yäti käàsyaà rasa-vidhänataù 
tathä dékñä-vidhänena dvijatvaà jäyate nåëäm

"'By chemical manipulation, bell metal is turned into gold when touched by mercury; similarly, when a person is properly initiated, he can acquire the qualities of a brähmaëa.'"

"'In the morning, afternoon and evening one should recite sandhya-vandanam (Gayatri), worship the Deity, chant the Hare Kåñëa mantra, offer oblations, perform a fire sacrifice and feed the brähmaëas. These five activities constitute puraçcaryä. To attain full success when taking initiation from the spiritual master, one should first perform these puraçcaryä processes.'"

The word puraù means "before," and charyä means "activities." Due to the necessity of these activities, they do not immediately initiate disciples in the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. A candidate for initiation must first attend ärati and classes in the çästras, practice the regulative principles and associate with other devotees. When one is actually advanced in the puraçcaryä-vidhi, he is recommended by the local temple president for initiation. When one is further advanced by chanting the Hare Kåñëa mantra sixteen rounds daily, following the regulative principles and attending classes, he receives the sacred thread (brahminical recognition) afterwards.

According to the Vaiñëava regulative principles, one must be initiated as a brähmaëa. The Hari-bhakti-viläsa (2.6) quotes the following injunction from the Viñëu-yämala:

adékñitasya vämoru kåtaà sarvaà nirarthakam 
paçu-yonim aväpnoti dékñä-virahito janaù

"'Unless one is initiated by a bona fide spiritual master, all his devotional activities are useless. A person who is not properly initiated can descend again into the animal species.'"

So the conclusion is that we accept a certain way of elevating ourselves known as "pancaratra vidhi" in the krsna conscious society which was laid down by the great sage narada himself and followed by great acaryas later.

hare krsna


Hare Krishna dear Devotees, please accept my humble obeisances! All glories to Srila Prabhupda!

To achieve love for Krishna the Hare Krishna Maha Mantra is enough. But Gayatri Mantra which we get while Brahmana initiation is helpful but not too much important.

Your servant,  



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