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Haribol to all devotees!

PAMHO!! AGSTP!!

I'm a Neophyte who is just up to 8 rounds of chanting. I am off meat and onion/garlic for the last 8 months and I'm feeling absolutely great. I regularly visit IDT just to read through the wonderful answers from senior devotees. There is no ISKCON temple near my place, but thankfully I live alone and don't have many friends - so I can go about my sadhana without distraction.

I think that in one of the myriad questions/responses on this forum, I read that the theory of evolution as propounded by modern science is nothing but a sham, and doesn't adhere to scriptures. However, I'm unable to understand why it is considered a lie, and seek guidance from someone who can enlighten me.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

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Hare Krsna PRabhuji,

PAMHO.

The theory of evolution, as accepted by modern science, is propounded by Darwin. In his theory of evolution, man came from apes and different species evolve to form other different species. So logically, ape and man should not exist at the same time - ape already evolved to man right? But both co exist. Now, on the other side of the argument, if both co exist, what about the in between stage - half ape half man - why no species exist like that today? In fact, why no such species existed ever? Thats why its a lie. Even Darwin says, that is how it may have been - he is himself not sure, just giving a theory.

Our scriptures also give the story of evolution - how what was created. It is vividly described in Srimad Bhagawatam. As per that theory, the world is created and destroyed as per time cycle - there are 4 yugas - Satya Yuga, Treta, Dwapar & Kaliyuga. The duration of each yuga is phenomenal - Kaliyuga is the smallest - 4,32,000 years, Dwapar is double of Kaliyuga - 432000 * 2 = 864000 years, Treta is 3 times and Satya is 4 times. So total no of years in one chaturyuga cycle is 43,20,000 years. Our science cannot trace back time to that level.

In fact, this chatur yuga is only one - there are 1000 such chaturyugas in one day of Brahma. The lifetime of one Brahma is 100 years. So imagine the vast expanse of time!!! Our science is not equipped to handle this expanse. 

I hope I have been able to explain. Apologies for the delay in responding.

Haribol,

Your servant,

Radha Rasamayi DD

Mataji,

Please accept my humble obeisances.

It seems your understanding of Darwin's theory of evolution is incomplete. It is a common misunderstanding that the theory states man came from ape. However, in fact the theory states that both modern man and modern apes came from a common ancestor - like a great-great-great grandfather, only much farther back in time, many, many hundreds and thousands of generations ago. We have actually found many skeletons from long ago which look like humans, but smaller and more ape-like.

And we have seen many species going extinct recently, mostly because of humans polluting and destroying natural habitats. When animals die, they tend to be the weaker ones - not always, but more often than not. So, the strongest ones survive. This "survival of the fittest" means that the ones with the best genetic information can pass down their DNA to their kids, which over time is called evolution.

Evolution can be seen happening today. Humans bred dogs from wolves into so many different breeds of dogs we see today, which did not exist before.

This theory cannot really be called a lie, since it is only a "best guess" from all the evidence scientists have collected. In the end it is just mental speculation, which may certainly have truth to it, but it is also tinted with falseness; and the ultimate truth is Krsna, who is far beyond any possibilities for mental speculation.

Science is wonderful and has helped us to attain comfortable living and good health, but now we must transcend that life for a spiritual life in blissful love with Krsna.

Please, please forgive me if I have offended you.
Hare Krishna
Peace and love

All glories to you prabhuji. May all of life be ensconced in the light of knowledge.

PAMHO Mataji, AGSTP.

I believe that you are mistaken in your understanding of evolution. Evolution doesn't say that monkeys are evolving into human beings. Monkeys and Humans share a common ancestor. Modern Humans - Homo sapiens - are a specific species of the genus Homo, who were equipped with faculties that helped them survive into the modern time.

Other species of Homo - for eg. H. erectus, H. habilis, H. ergaster, H. neanderthalensis etc. have  been unable to survive due to the lack of important faculties necessary for survival into the modern age - they suffered from drawbacks like inability to make swift movements, keep an upright posture, smaller brain capacity, susceptibility to certain diseases etc. It is also a fact that some of these species predate H. sapiens, whereas some of them had lived side by side. It has been speculated that modern humans hunted H. neanderthalensis to extinction.

H. sapiens share almost 97% of the DNA that Neanderthal man had - but the other 3% made all the difference.

Monkeys too have branched out from the same ape-like ancestor (primate) of modern humans. There have been thousands of primate species, but those who have had the evolutionary edge were naturally selected to survive. 

All creatures are still evolving - but it is imperceptible due to the vast scale of planetary time and the tiny footprint of human lifespan. One example of evolution can be easily seen nowadays in India - people in general nowadays are taller than people from previous generations. This is basically an adaptation to help people breathe better - as polluted air is heavier, it tends to come near the ground - so the taller you are the better you will breathe. I'm not sure if there are any scientific studies done on other animals as well, but as with everything - if you cannot evolve or adapt, you will be wiped out. So humans are evolving to become better humans, monkeys are evolving to better monkeys - so on and so forth.

Most creatures on this earth have several species mataji. Some species can be visually identified as similar to each other but with subtle changes - eg. the Indian elephant (Elephus maximus indicus) and the African elephant (Elephus maximus) where they are sub-species of each other. There are trace chances of other surviving species of humans as well - but unfortunately till now, whatever has been found have been long dead. Homo sapiens idaltu is one subspecies of modern humans that survived till about 100,000 years ago.

Even tulasi rani has several species - eg. Ocimum basillicum, O. americanum, O. minimum etc.

Haribol

Scientists Confirm: Darwinism Is Broken

By Paul Nelson and David Klinghoffer | December 13, 2016 | 2:37 PM EST
(Wikimedia Commons Photo)

Darwinian theory is broken and may not be fixable. That was the takeaway from a meeting last month organized by the world's most distinguished and historic scientific organization, which went mostly unreported by the media.

The three-day conference at the Royal Society in London was remarkable in confirming something that advocates of intelligent design (ID), a controversial scientific alternative to evolution, have said for years. ID proponents point to a chasm that divides how evolution and its evidence are presented to the public, and how scientists themselves discuss it behind closed doors and in technical publications. This chasm has been well hidden from laypeople, yet it was clear to anyone who attended the Royal Society conference, as did a number of ID-friendly scientists.

Maybe that secrecy helps explain why the meeting was so muffled in mainstream coverage.

Oh, there were a few reports. In the Huffington Post, science journalist Suzan Mazur complained of a lack of momentousness: "[J]ust what was the point of attracting a distinguished international gathering if the speakers had little new science to present? Why waste everyone's time and money?" On the other hand, a write-up in The Atlantic by Carl Zimmer acknowledged a sense of strain between rival cliques of evolutionists: "Both sides offered their arguments and critiques in a civil way, but sometimes you could sense the tension in the room – the punctuations of tsk-tsks, eye-rolling, and partisan bursts of applause."

Mild drama notwithstanding, why should anyone care?

For one thing, the Royal Society, dating back to 1660, is a legend in the science world. Its founders included the great chemist Robert Boyle, and it was later headed for 24 years (1703-1727) by Isaac Newton – a fact that is hard to forget with Newton's death mask on prominent display in a glass case. Portraits of Boyle and Newton look down from the walls above. So the historical connections lend a certain weight by themselves.

Hare Krishna Prabhuji pamho,

Sooner or later , its just a matter of time that all these scientific theories will proved to be broken.

All the parameters and terminologies and evidences on the basis of which today's scientists prove their point will be negated by future researchers with the proof of their rock solid evidences which will also be considered as truth at that point of time, only to be outruled again in future. so i think we should not be overwhelmed by these highly impressive technical data's and just trust our scriptures which are the ultimate revelation - even if apparently they appear contradictory to our day to day experience or seems irrational to our intelligence. 

Kindly forgive me if i have hurt someone with my comments. Yas

 


To me the evolutionary theory seems like one-way ticket from nothing to everything, like a mathematical vector. We know, Mathematic explains a lot about the universe, but not everything. Probably everything in the universe [including human development [not'' evolution''] goes in spirals. Those  spirals go in spirals of another dimensions, we can't sense, and so on.

On NHK World there was a news about artificial intelligence who won a game ''Bo'' against human  intelligence. But this artificial intelligence is created from another human. So nothing  comes from nothing.  

I found it interesting that the highest percentages of Neanderthal Dna in humans ( besides in Europe ) was found in Sri Lanka . Which used to be Lanka, Where Hanuman's monkey kingdom was. Neanderthals.. Monkey kingdom? Hmm..

Small correction - Hanuman's monkeys were not from Lanka. THey crossed to Lanka on the Ram Setu to fulfill the desire of the lord.

Lanka was the land where demons led by Ravana stayed. 

Hare Krsna Prabhu
What Mataji has explained has far greater significance then the theory of evolution which is based on the body only.
Prabhuji I would like to ask you in turn.
What is your actual position with respect to Krsna?
Homosapien??
Hare Krsna
On the one hand I liked that Darwin agrees that there is a common ancestor.
We for one don't speculate, it maybe like this or it maybe like that.
We know for certain that all the life forms in this universe have come from Brahma the first living being. So that is a common point.
The difficulty for science for example is that the lotus stem from which Brahma was generated. How to explain or rubbish that! Mostly it is rubbish that theory.
But it is not theory, it is fact. If you want to learn facts without the slightest tinge of illusion then you will have to accept them as they are. This is called surrender.

Hare Krishna

For the most complete explanation, visit the below link and download the chart.

http://eternalreligion.org/time-structure-of-universe/

I also find it hard to believe the scriptures on word alone, and not science with their evidence.

There are many fields in science, and all of them lead to the same conclusions.

Science theories are actually groups of found facts that together form a theory.

a theory in science is the highest achievement and is considered a fact.

We know the age of the universe not by guessing, but studying and investigating.

And we already see that the universe is so much larger than 4 billion miles,

in fact in 1977 we sent Voyager 1 into space, and as of June 2015 it's 19.5 billion kilomers away from earth (and still going), and it's still communicating with earth.

Sure, you can say NASA are lairs and believe only our scriptures... but you still not providing evidence while NASA and the scientists do.

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