Madhva Sampradaya and Gaudiya sampradaya

Hare Krishna.

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

As per the guru parampara, Gaudiya Vaishnava comes from the linage of Madhvacarya. So if Gaudiya Vaishnavism is part of Madhva Sampradya why is there so many philosophical differences between them. For example Madhvacarya believed in absolute difference between soul and Krishna but we believe in simultaneous oneness and difference. Madhvacarya also believed that Narayan is the source of all incarnation but we believe in Krishna as svayam bhagavan.

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raj

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  • Whether Srila Prabhupada used quotes from Garga samhita or not does not question its authority. Srila Prabhupada has preached the glories of Bhagavatam which is essential.

    Well in that case let me quote from Padma Puran.

    Padma puran states:

    sampradāyavihīnā ye mantrāste niṣphalā matāḥ|
    ataḥ kalau bhaviśyanti catvāraḥ sampradāyinaḥ||
    Śrī-brahmā-rudra-sanakā vaiṣṇavā kṣitipāvanāḥ|
    catvāraste kalau bhāvya hyutkale puruṣottamāt||
    rāmānujaṃ śrī svicakre madhvācaryaṃ caturmukhaḥ|
    śrīviṣṇusvāminaṃ rudro nimbādityaṃ catuḥsanāḥ||

    All mantras which have been given (to disciples) not in an authorised Sampradāya are fruitless. Therefore, in Kali Yuga, there will be four bona-fide Sampradāyas. One of them were inaugurated by Śrī Devī and known as the Śrī Sampradāya, one by Lord Brahmā and known as the Brahmā Sampradāya,one by Lord Rudra and known as the Rudra Sampradāya; one by  the Four Kumāras and known as Sanakādi Sampradāya. Śrī Devī made Rāmānujācārya the head of that lineage. So too Lord Brahmā appointed Madhvācārya, Lord Rudra appointed Viṣṇusvāmī and the four Kumaras chose Nimbāditya (an epithet for Śrī Nimbārkācārya).

    The great Gaudiya acarya, Baladeva Vidyabhusana quotes these two verses in his book, Prameya-ratnavali, citing the Padma Purana as their source. In the 1927 edition of the Prameya-ratnavali, two commentaries were published: Kanti-mala by Krsnadeva Vedanta-vagisa and Prabha by Aksaya Kumara Sastri.(Calcutta (Shyam Bazar): Sanskrit Sahitya Parishad, 1927.) Both these commentaries confirm that they come from the Padma Purana.

    Narahari Cakravarti (also known as Ghanasyama Dasaa), the son of Jagannatha Cakravarti, a disciple of Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura, also quoted these two verses in his Bhakti-ratnakara (5.2111-2) and attributed them to the Padma Purana.

    Finally, there is the testimony of Kavi Karnapura,  the youngest son of Mahaprabhu’s intimate associate Sivananda Sena, who paid his obeisances to Mahaprabhu, calling him the ‘the family’s worshipable Deity’ (kuladhidaivata7). In his Gaura-ganoddesa-dipika (21-22), Karnapura both quotes a part of these verses and attributes it to the Padma Purana:

    Gopala Guru Gosvami, an associate of Mahaprabhu and disciple of Vakresvara Pandita, also accepted this concept of the disciplic line and the principle of four distinct Vaisnava sampradayas.

    • I (Jiva Gosvami) am composing Tattva-sandarbha following the above statements of Sriman Madhva Acarya. I am accepting statements quoted by him and those in his line, without having personally seen the originals of many of the texts. This includes tantra such as samhita and mahasamhita, tantra-bhagavata and brahmatarka.”

      An indication of acintya-bhedabheda is found in a statement of Brahma-tarka which Sri Madhva supported.

      visesasya visistasyapy abhedas tadvad eva tu
      sarvam ca cintya-saktitvad yujyate paramesvare
      tac chaktyaiva tu jivesu cid-rupa-prakrtavapi
      bhedabhedau tad-anyatra hy ubhayor api darsanat (Brahma-tarka)

      There is a reason every great saint preach certain things . Madhava did that to  defeat Mayavada which focuses on the similarity between Jiva and Lord. It is not that Madhava and his followers do not know the similarities between Lord and Jiva .

      • ananda tirtha-nama sukha-maya-dhama yatir jiyat
        samsararnava-taranim yam iha janah kirtayanti budhah

        May that great sannyasi, Srila Ananda Tirtha (Madhvacarya) be ever victorious. He is like a boat to cross the ocean of the material world, and the wise men in this world praise him.” (Prameya Ratnavali by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhusana)

  • Please read my comment again . I guess there is some misunderstanding .

    It is devotion which takes one to Krishna . The path of prapatti (saranagati) is taught by all the authenticated sampradayas and  if one is initiated in any of the 4 authenticated sampradaya as per his mood and inclination then he is eligible irrespective of if he is following dvaita vada or visistha advaita vada , suddha advaita vada , achintya bhedabheda vada etc .

    Garga Samhita, Canto 10, chapter 61, verses 23, 24, 25, 26 also states :

    vamanas vidih sesah sanako visnu vakyatah
    dharmartha hetave caite bhavisyanti dvijah kalau

    Vamana, Brahma, Ananta Sesha and Sanaka Kumara will appear as brahmanas by the order of Visnu, for the preservation of eternal righteousness in kali yuga.

    visnuswami vamanangsastatha madhvastu brahmanah
    ramanujastu sesangsa nimbaditya sanakasya ca

    Visnuswami, Madhvacarya, Ramanuja and Nimbaditya will appear respectively as a portion of Vamana, Brahma, Ananta Sesha and Sanaka Kumara.

    ete kalau yuge bhavyah sampradaya pravartakah
    samvatsare vikrama catvarah ksiti pavanah

    These four saviours will be the establishers of the four authorised and empowered spiritual channels of disciplic succession in the period calculated from the reign of King Vikrama in 54 B.C. subsequently through the 432,000 year cycle  of kali yuga.

    sampradaya vihina ye mantraste nisphalah smritah
    tasmacca gamanang hyasti sampradaya narairapi

    These four authorized and empowered spiritual channels of disciplic succession are to be fully accepted by all beings; as any word, combination of words or formulation of sound frequencies, invoked or addressed, audible or inaudible, secret or revealed, ancient or contemporary outside their auspices prove to have absolutely no efficacy.

  • Any qualified follower will follow the teachings of any one of the 4 sampradaya and attain perfection . All sampradaya acharyas had some aim and they revealed only those which was in accordance to their aim  .   Dvaita-Vada was Madhava's philosophy  to refute Advaita vada . Yes Madhava promoted only difference aspect .

    Although Sriman Madhva emphasises bheda (difference), he does not at all disregard srutis which indicate abheda (non-difference); instead he has accepted their compatibility. In other words, we find a hint of the acceptance of acintya-bhedabheda, as Srila Jiva Goswami has suggested in his Sandharbha literature. According to Vedanta-sutra, sakti saktimator abhedah: “The potency and the potent are not different.”  An indication of acintya-bhedabheda is found in a statement of Brahma-tarka which Sri Madhva supported.

    visesasya visistasyapy abhedas tadvad eva tu
    sarvam ca cintya-saktitvad yujyate paramesvare
    tac chaktyaiva tu jivesu cid-rupa-prakrtavapi
    bhedabhedau tad-anyatra hy ubhayor api darsanat (Brahma-tarka)

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