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Are we dreaming a dream or this world is real ?

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Hare KRsna Prabhuji,

PAMHO.

I am surprised to get this post from you. The world is very much real - we can see it, feel it and touch it. The scriptures also say that the world is temporary and full of miseries. I dont remember reading anywhere that the world itself and whatever we are experiencing is unreal. I have read - dukhalayam ashaswatam and anityam asukham lokam - these 2 phrases for the world.

Haribol,

Your servant,

Radha Rasamayi DD

My post is meant for ultimate benefit of souls who thinks like you .
The Supreme Guru, dear Lord Sri Krishna said to His devotee Uddhava :

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SB 11.22.51An unintelligent man, failing to distinguish himself from material nature, thinks nature to be real. By contact with it he becomes completely bewildered and enters into the cycle of material existence.
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SB 11.22.52Made to wander because of his fruitive work, the conditioned soul, by contact with the mode of goodness, takes birth among the sages or demigods. By contact with the mode of passion he becomes a demon or human being, and by association with the mode of ignorance he takes birth as a ghost or in the animal kingdom.
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SB 11.22.53Just as one may imitate persons whom one sees dancing and singing, similarly the soul, although never the doer of material activities, becomes captivated by material intelligence and is thus forced to imitate its qualities.
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SB 11.22.54-55The soul’s material life, his experience of sense gratification, is actually false, O descendant of Daśārha, just like trees’ appearance of quivering when the trees are reflected in agitated water, or like the earth’s appearance of spinning due to one’s spinning his eyes around, or like the world of a fantasy or dream.
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SB 11.22.56For one who is meditating on sense gratification, material life, although lacking factual existence, does not go away, just as the unpleasant experiences of a dream do not.
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SB 11.22.57Therefore, O Uddhava, do not try to enjoy sense gratification with the material senses. See how illusion based on material dualities prevents one from realizing the self.
SB 10.40.23O Supreme Lord, the living entities in this world are bewildered by Your illusory energy. Becoming involved in the false concepts of “I” and “my,” they are forced to wander along the paths of fruitive work.
SB 10.40.24I too am deluded in this way, O almighty Lord, foolishly thinking my body, children, home, wife, money and followers to be real, though they are actually as unreal as a dream.

Those who teach that this world is real can not know transcendental knowledge, therefore following such philosophy will not save anyone from the illusion.

Karmic law both positive & negative is prof it is real, a real learning experience at least. Because we (do) have a way to surrender our karmic reactions & retire from this so-called "learning experience " it can be rendered redundant. Further anything which is not permanent is (classified) as illusion. Hence one can say, it is both an educational opportunity that can be prolonged or terminated at one's own discretion? Temporary or eternal.
"All that you does all that you say all that eat offer or give away , should be done as an offering/sacrafice to Vishnu, in this way one will be freed from all good & or bad karmic reactions and in the end return to Him (Vishnu) a Head God. OtherWise the slow impersonal process of trial and error field with miseries is there.
Karma is a part of material nature, and material nature is not reality.
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SB 11.22.51An unintelligent man, failing to distinguish himself from material nature, thinks nature to be real. By contact with it he becomes completely bewildered and enters into the cycle of material existence.
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Jaya Nitai!!! This world is real in the sense that it is manifest from the Maya Shakti of Lord Gauranga Krishna. Maya cannot be an illusion according to us (only the Mayavadis believe it is), therefore this world is real. Baladeva Vidyabhusana in the Prameya Ratnavali (3rd Chapter) says:

sva-shaktya shrishtavan vishnur

     yathartham sarva-vij jagat

ity uktah satyam evaitad

     vairagyartham asad-vacah

 "Because omniscient Lord Vishnu created this material world with His own potency,therefore it is real. The word asat used to describe the material world in the Vedas should be interpreted to mean temporary, not unreal. Describing the temporality of this world, the Vedas instruct us in the importance of renunciation."

While the world itself is real,the experience of the world is an illusion, because the Jivas act under the illusion that they are the enjoyers (when only Sri Gauranga Krsna is the Sumpreme Enjoyer). While Maya is real, she has the power to cause illusion in the mind of the Jiva and that is why sometimes scriptures compare it to a dream. This is confirmed in the first verse of Bhagavatam (muhyanti yat sūrayaḥ tejo-vāri-mṛdāṁ yathā vinimayo yatra tri-sargo ’mṛṣā) However, the world is not a dream in the sense that it is false.  

SB 11.22.54-55 The soul’s material life, his experience of sense gratification, is actually false, O descendant of Daśārha, just like trees’ appearance of quivering when the trees are reflected in agitated water, or like the earth’s appearance of spinning due to one’s spinning his eyes around, or like the world of a fantasy or dream.
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Its seems Sri Krishna took mayavadi philosophy . lol :)

Millions read holy scriptures, but only some of them are studying it, from those who studying, only some of them completely understands it. Therefore only those who fully understands it, are qualified to see the truth.

 

Jaya Nitai! If you read the verse Prabhuji, it says the experience of material life is false, material nature itself is  not false. The world cannot be an illusion because it has been manifest out of the Maya Shakti of Lord Hari, which is real. I completely agree with your statement, many read the scriptures, but only those who read under the guidance of a pure devotee can understand its confidential meaning. If Baladeva Vidyabhusana who wrote the Govinda Bhasya (the Gaudiya commentary of the Vedanta Sutra) says the world is real, then we should accept his conclusion because he is a pure devotee of our line.

Also another issue. The verses you are quoting from, are from Uddhava Gita, which Srila Prabhupada did not translate and write purports to. The chapter is very often mistranslated by many individuals in a very impersonalistic way. That is why, as Vaishnavs we should be very very careful when dealing with this chapter. Always read it in accordance with the understanding of our previous Acharyas.

Jaya Nitai

Dasomi

Mohit Kumar

Philosophical speculations are so usefull, because its often a tool for keeping blind philosophers away from the  Absolute Truth.

Krishna said, Bhaktya Mam Avijanathi 

Only pure devotee, someone like Prabhupada, Bhakti Vinod Thakur, Haridas Thakur, Bhakti Sidhanta Saraswati etc can know Krishna.

Rest of us, just use imagination, with our mind :D

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Bg 7.3Out of many thousands among men, one may endeavor for perfection, and of those who have achieved perfection, hardly one knows Me in truth.

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