1) Why lord stopped Sanatana Goswami from attempting suicide whereas he did not stopped Chota Haridas from doing so?


2)Why lord says to stop lusty desire one should continuously heard lord rasa dance from a self realized soul with love and faith whereas srila Prabhupad forbades to hear such until a person is fully realized?


3) What is Ghost body is made of? Is it of subtle body? then can subtle body take a form as we often hear in ghost stories?

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  • Subtle body is known to be made of the energies of Mind it's purified sinces, Intelligence, true or real or purified ego. I personally am not convinced that ghosts can exist in realms other than that which is conducive to their nature, just as we cannot sustain our existence in divinity while existing in this body. My reasoning is this,- Vishnu means (all pervasive) or He who exists everywhere I.e. the creation is His, is within Him & because He is limitless He is therefore it. I.e. Purified & ecstaticly surcharged energetically! Hence other realms do not enjoy cohabitation of existence other than the times when awareness of one is superimpose upon the other as in the performance of (rites)/rituals. At such times when the mantras OM foe example are properly employed to open and End there performance, we get a glimpse beyond the gross at the subtle. I would imagine that, that glimpse is about all they get of us as well. But this is my speculation as I am not in the heavens attempting to effect an awareness of what is going on down hear on earth. Further why would they (ghosts) want to unless they were attached to something very strongly on this planet? In conclusion I don't think so indeed I sometimes wonder if my/our efforts of sacrifice & (Rits) such as chanting create a subtle prescience in the heavens? However, most would agree that a brief period of influence is not equal to an existence per say.?
  • Jai Radhe
    1) Why lord stopped Sanatana Goswami from attempting suicide whereas he did not stopped Chota Haridas from doing so?

    First of all we need to understand that all lords associate are eternal and sinless. They play various part so as to facilitate Lords purpose. Purpose of Lord Gauranga was to give teachings by action so that normal jivas can walk up to the highest destination of Nikunjo Mandir in Goloka Vrindavan.
    Sanatan Goswami always acted as per Prabhu's teaching and his vaishnav sadachar/ettiquete became so high that out of dainata he even forgot the ultimate purpose of human life - to realize oneself as krishna nitya das and to act to fulfill the desires of krishna and not his own will. "Atma indriya preeti vancha tare koi kam/ Krishna indriya preeti vancha dhore prem nam".
    Lord Gauranga's (who is Krishna) wish was Sanatana Goswami goes on to author all the guiding philosophies of Gaudiya Vaishnavism and so he stopped him from commiting suicide.
    On the other hand, although Chota Hari Das's offence was seemingly very small,He went to the home of an aged lady devotee, Madhavi devi, the sister of Sikhi Mahiti, who was 84 years old. Lord Gauranga wanted to show that no diversion is allowed from shastra however miniscule it is. So he shut his doors for Chota Haridas and which led into him commiting suicide (and also a similar very famous example in 1970's) as sannyasi's are not meant to be in association of ladies whatever age or relation she might be except biological mother.


    2)Why lord says to stop lusty desire one should continuously heard lord rasa dance from a self realized soul with love and faith whereas srila Prabhupad forbades to hear such until a person is fully realized?

    Lord's eternal passtimes/Leela Madhuri is from chinmay jagat and hence are medicines that can cure ailments of jara jagat afflicted soul of ours. However the question arrises from whom should we take medicine. If we self prescribe our self or take it on the basis of word of mouth then its contaminated by man buddhi ahamkar ( all jara things) and hence the medicine also gets contaminated and will not be of any help.
    Now self realized devotees know themself as nitya krishna das and will serve the medicine as-it-is (not referringto the branding of any institution's publication) and will hence purify our soul's contamination.
    If some acharya of any organization have prescribed otherwise then that instruction is not for everyone, its for a specific sthan-kala-patra.

    3) What is Ghost body is made of?

    Man Budhi Ahankar and Karma Indriyas.

    Your Servant
    Satyananda Das

  • In Puri there was a brahmana boy, a devotee, and his name was Chota Haridasa. He went to the home of an aged lady devotee, Madhavi devi, the sister of Sikhi Mahiti, who was 84 years old. Mahaprabhu could not tolerate this. "Although he is a brahmacari-sannyasi, he went there", Mahaprabhu said. "Why has he gone there? From now on he should not come here. My door is closed to that devotee."

    That boy later died by committing suicide, but Mahaprabhu's heart did not melt. Everyone, including even Sri Raya Ramananda, Sri Svarupa Damodara, and Sri Nityananda Prabhu were saying that His heart was very cruel. They all requested Him to see Chota Haridasa, but He was not persuaded. Even Paramananda Puri, who was like His guru, requested Him, but Mahaprabhu told him :

    "Prabhu, I cannot live here any longer. I am going elsewhere. Govinda, bring My dor-kaupin. We should leave from here at once. Prabhu, you can remain here with your associates, but I cannot remain. His heart was not at all melted.

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    Anyway, its seems only He knows what was behind that story.

    How we can talk about establishing real varnashrama, which nowadays cant be followed even in the mind ?

  • Hare Krsna,

    Until we become a pure devotee we cannot understand the higher level of devotion that the gopis had for Krsna. So since we are neophytes, we would not be able to have the right understanding regarding Raas Lila. Sometimes we may not understand at all and other times we may misunderstand it. So we are not deserving enough to understand it. So Prabhupad says you need not touch that section where there are more chances of misunderstanding. Once we become sincere and good enough, Krsna Himself will reveal the intricacies involved in His pastimes, and the Madhurya Lilas too. For us it's a long way to go, at least for me.
  • Sevak

    Hare Krsna

    1) Why lord stopped Sanatana Goswami from attempting suicide whereas he did not stopped Chota Haridas from doing so?

    Sanatana Goswami hadnot made any mistake. Chota Haridas had made slight error,which Mahaprabhu used to show to world that for those renounced order there is no excuse.

    2)Why lord says to stop lusty desire one should continuously heard lord rasa dance from a self realized soul with love and faith whereas srila Prabhupad forbades to hear such until a person is fully realized?

    It is like medicine, but depending on the condition of disease and one's bodily capacity it can have opposite effect.

    3) What is Ghost body is made of?

    Subtle body

    Hare Krsna

    YAS Bharat

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